NWG/RFC # 151                                                 A. Shoshani
                                                              SDC
NIC #6755                                                     May 10, 1971




                   COMMENTS ON A PROFERRED OFFICIAL ICP
                             (RFCs 123, 127)





Bob Long at SDC noticed that the order in which messages go out to the
network depend on the local NCP. In particular commands may be given
priority over data and therefore in the sequence specified for server in
RFC 123 (top of Page 3), the last two INIT commands may go out before the
data = S on socket = L is sent.  (This is the case in the current
implementation of SDC's NCP.) The implication is that the user's NCP should
be prepared to keep the INIT's it received from the server until the user
process gets the data = S and issues two INITs in response.

This case is brought up now so that people will think about it before the
Atlantic City meeting and comment whether their NCP can tolerate it. It may
be necessary to make it explicit in the ICP that the two INITs sent by the
server should go out only after the data = S is sent, or even after the
user process acknowledges its receipt.

I have a more general remark about the ICP. This is a third level protocol
and therefore should not alter or ignore procedures of the second level
protocol (Host-Host protocol). In particular three remarks seem
appropriate:


















Kreznar                                                      PAGE 1 


RFC 19                                                      October 1969


1. In RFC 123 (bottom of Page 2) it is suggested that the byte size for the
   connection to the server socket L is 32. However, in the modifications
   to second level protocol (RDC 107) it is specified that it is up to the
   sending process to chose the byte size. According to the Host-Host
   protocol, NCPs should be prepared to accept messages in any byte size
   (1<= size <=255);  therefore there is no need to impose a size of 32 in
   this case.  Furthermore, since it is up to the sender to choose the byte
   size, some Hosts may choose a particular byte size (for simplicity and
   convenience) and their NCP may not be geared to transmit in an imposed
   byte size.

2. In RFCs 66 and 80, an ALL is expected on the connection to the server
   socket before data can be sent. In RFCs 123 and 127 the ALL requirement
   disappeared.  But the ALL is a Host-Host protocol requirement and not
   requiring it creates special case. A particular NCP implementation may
   cause the ALL to be sent internally when a connection is created,
   without the user process having control of it. Relaxing this requirement
   will create a special case for the receiving NCP not to send the ALL and
   for the sending NCP to send the data = S without first receiving an ALL.

3. In RFC 127, I disagree with the comment "send 32 bits of data in one
   message" because it is a second level protocol decision that a message
   can be sent in any size pieces and the size is to be specified through
   the ALL mechanism. In particular, there may be hosts which are not
   prepared to accept more than few bytes at a time (TIPs).

In general we should not make second level decisions in a third level
protocol.






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Comments on a proffered official ICP: RFCs 123, 127

RFC TOTAL SIZE: 3623 bytes
PUBLICATION DATE: Wednesday, March 5th, 1997
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